Who's The Sick Fuck?

[Koach]

Hmmm...this kind of peaked my interest today.

digg.com/odd_stuff/These_New_Statutory_Rape_Ads_are_Creepy

Not necessarily the article which has the faces of 12 year old adolescence photoshopped onto smokin hott bodies. The first Digg comment got me thinking, it goes something like this:

I am so sick of propaganda. Let's be realistic here: In Canada we have a much lower age for this, 16 or something like that. Are Canadians sick twisted fucks? Yes, but not because of that.

The fact is that an age is just an arbitrary number, and the state is not really in a position to decide what is a legal, blanket all age for every single person to have sex. A person could be 22 and not mentally ready, where as a person could be mentally mature and ready at a younger age. Add to that the fact that they can't realistically enforce these types of laws.

People will refrain from taking advantage of a younger person if they are educated and moral. We need to stop trying to scare people with propaganda and start focusing on education and creating a society that rewards ethical and decent behavior.


So..first off, I didnt know our neighbors to the north had a "legal age" of 16. Secondly, he raises a good point as to the "maturity level" of individuals.

We sit here and joke about pedophile jokes and being "dirty" for saying things like "Hannah Montana is hot." Does that make people "sick fucks"? Does it make them "child predators"? If Severit wants to get with a 17 year old girl (which is LEGAL in Canada, a 12 hour drive north of him, but ILLEGAL in the United States), does that make him a sicko?

I honestly dont think its THAT wrong. Granted I have morals and I feel certain age gaps (mostly those exceeding 6+ years difference) start to become a little creepy to me. I mean, its our government who makes these laws. The same government that wastes all of our Tax money on needless wars and ruin our education system and national economy. The same government who day after day worry more about themselves than the average American.

It's wierd how people will give the US government the middle finger and tell Bush to fuck himself, but will turn around and yell "child rape" if a 17 year old boy gets head from his 16 year old girlfriend (referring to Genarlow Wilson from Georgia).

Ok...so about this time most of you are anxious to hit reply to post some form of "Josh is a Pedo" type of reply. All I ask is that you look at it differently. Just because out government makes laws, that doesnt mean they are RIGHT.

There are people who say things like "OMFG you are going to HELL because you (20 years old) slept with her (16 years old) and God is going to smite you, blah blah." Those are some ignorant assholes. If what they were saying is true, then Canada is fucked, no pun intended.

[Raenen]

What is legal always appears to reflect the current societal mores, or is updated to accomodate vast changes in society. Interestingly enough, going back merely a hundred and fifty years or so it wasn't uncommon for women to begin bearing children around 15, or even 16. In those times, many women married at 14 or 15 and soonafter began rearing children. Does that mean they were seduced by older men and preyed upon by pedophiles? No. As stated previously, age is arbitrary as a number until it is compared with levels of maturity. Just because a person is a particular age does not necessarily mean they are similar to 100% of others that age. Personally, I could never see myself dating anyone under the age of 20, frankly because of maturity - not saying I'm the most mature person in the world, but I don't like to play childish games.

That said, I agree with Josh about the government and laws. Just because a government creates a particular law does not necessarily mean that it is just, moral, or for some "right". Albeit the legislatures effort to craft many laws in relation to morals of that particular time, oftentimes laws do not necessarily reflect many conceptions of "justice". For instance, look at the late 19th century and voting rights for blacks and women. At that time it was illegal for women or black residents of states to vote in any shape or form. Thus, by illegal it was "wrong" for them to vote. Were women and blacks any less important than normal anglo-saxon males of that time when it came to voicing their opinions? No. Then why did the government regulate such a law? Simple. Until the constitutionality of a law is questioned, it will retain effect unless overturned or amended. Even though it was morally reprehensible to withhold the votes of blacks and women, it nonethless was the law of that time. Laws change as society changes.

Moral of the story? There really isn't one. Laws currently set the legal age of consent and that's all there is to it. As draconic as it sounds, if you would rather the age be lowered to that of Canada, move to Canada or lobby your representative to propose lowering the legal age of consent (good luck). I hate those "that's just the way it is" arguments more than anyone, but alas I know of no other alternative.

Does that mean that every law currently in the books is just? Nope. Sure doesn't. Honestly, I wish all laws reflected that which truly is "just", but that will never happen. As for now, the best we can do is make sure that if something is truly unjust, we rise above and make it just. Easier said than done ^_^

P.S. Thanks for the name drop in your hypo Koach, you bitch T_T lawlz

[llael]

Okay, I don't think that the age thing in Canada is soooo weird, like in Florida, if you're 16, and consent to anyone under 24 you can do as you like. Over 24, its a problem, and you're [For the older partner] committing statutory rape. [Allison did the research and told me about that yesterday.] I think that after probably 15 its your decision, because if you think about it, if there's a 15 year old slut, he/she is going to do it anyways, but, like within florida, up to the age of 18 there should be like a cut off for someone so young, like within 4 years of their own age until you're 18 and can make the desicion to date whoever at whatever age. Just to reinforce the fact that someone shouldn't take advantage of another person. And yeah, I agree, if you're being raised well, and educated well, this should work out. Sadly, alot of people are lacking both morals and education in the matter. And I wouldn't consider someone that's 20 dating a 16 yr old a pedophile, I'd say he/she had intrest in younger women/men maybe? Idk, whatever, but when you're as far apart in age as like my parents, 18 yrs, it's definetly effed up until you're both over 18.
Anywayssss, that's a minors point of view on this whole shpilll.

[Seraph]

Let's keep it simple gentlemen. One can date an individual within their current bracket of education.

Middle schoolers can date Middle schoolers, high schoolers can date high schoolers. Out of highschool (Assuming 18) you're free to date anyone 18+

Maturity does not equal experience and maturity is a broad realm. One can be mature in handling the death of family members/loved ones, but completely incapable at being mature behind a vehicle's wheel.

A 16yr old girl may carry herself in a mature enough way to date a normal 20 something yr old man, but what if they go so far as to move in together and things go bad with him cheating on her and kicking her out of the house. Is she mature enough to handle the embarrassment of being cheated on and kicked out. Is she mature enough to see all her shit on the curbside? Can you bounce back from all of it healthily?

There is no doubt our brains are still growing at the age of 16 and even 18. They say men do not completely finish forming parts of their brains that deal with rationality until their mid 20s. Most adults are very much locked in their morals, ethics, beliefs, ideals around 30. Young adults and even 16yrs olds are just now going through the paces; experience + the maturity to learn from it is what makes you grow older/wiser mentally. Unfortunately enough, time is the conduit for those two things.

That said, what if you're a senior who graduates but your girlfriend is still junior in HS? Perhaps individual relationships like that can be exceptions but how many people continue their relationships like that? Not many because inevitably you start to really grow up when you're working 40hrs a week and trying to make ends meet or sitting in college courses forming ideas for a life long career.

Society is different today, men and women are expected to know much more about things and make decisions weekly that can affect our lives for months, even years. 12 yr old girls back in the day had mom/dad around still while they took care of their babies and husband (Small towns, limited areas to live). Society in general was different. Growing up you were taught how to tend to the farm or cook or take care of children. 12yr olds today are learning about math, history, etc, etc. It's completely different today. Does that mean our children these days are unable to handle the life of a mother at 13? I'd say yes. Could you raise a kid in an isolated area and at 13 wed them off to a man and by 14 she's taking care of her own child? Yes I believe you can.

People aren't evolving, you could take kids from 2008, put them in year 1850 and they would do everything those kids did, same for a 1850 kids in 2008. But social norms have changed, expectations have changed...the world has changed.

I personally hope to not see any mid 20s dating a 16 yr old. What substance does a 16yr old hold? How do you relate to a 16yr old when you're 24 or even 22? Let's say they live together. 16yr old comes home and you do their algebra homework while you work on your taxes? Relationships are more than happy times and cute faces with tight vaginas. At least a 22 or 24 yr old woman can level with you in many more areas. She has 6-8yrs more experience in "living on earth".

If the laws were changed today to match Canada's...I wouldn't blink an eye, but I'd question the sanity of people dating a boy or girl <18 with an age gap of 4+ yrs. Now if they were honest and said they wanted a young impressionable kid with a teen sex drive, I'd say at least you're being honest but now you're just as sick as a fucker can get.

16 yr olds can't even hang out at places 18+ yrs old typically go to hook up. So someone must be eyeing up kids in the playground, sitting in church looking around or selling candy around the neighborhood. That or looking for them in forums/chatrooms which is just a whole different level of creepy.

This is a case of GOVT telling us what we can and can't do, but in this case I think the pros far outweigh the few cases of cons.