Prostitution

[AmyLynn]

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Do you think prostitution should be legalized??

[Sanjitsu]

LOL, why not? I don't see the difference between going to a bar, buying a girl a drink then going to her apartment to have sex only to wake up in 3 hours, slip on your pants and never see her again. College anyone? Our laws are so skewed. If someone wants to pay someone for some decent sex, then why the fuck not? If it was legalized then there would be actual establishments like the Red Light District that people KNOW specifically where to go and you don't have to deal with women wandering the bad neighborhoods looking for a buck a blowjob. But yeah, like I said, payment for sex varies. What's the difference between cold hard cash or a few beers and a fake smile?

[Seraph]

No.

I also disagree with Alan, although the outcome looks the same and the exchange of money is different the purpose is on a whole different scale.

One is a job, the other is not.

A man going to a bar picking up a girl and sleeping with her or vice versa isn't the same as putting your vagina on the corner with the sole purpose of procuring income.

How will the IRS tax these prostitutes? Will they be responsible and fill out their own tax forms like good citizens? Do we issue each individual a business license and treat them as a one woman/man company?

What about groups of prostitutes and their pimps? It's a whole lot more going on than pay em' and sack em'.

Morally I don't agree with it. It's also not very ethical as I'm sure the vast majority of these women would rather do something else for money if they felt they could. There is also the exploitation of the practice by say...pimps...drug lords...gangsters...or even customers. Not to mention making the process "easier" adds strain to family relationships. Sure those men who use the service despite being married are dogs but tempting these individuals isn't make anything easier.

Human beings generally will take the path of least resistance. Typically the moral high ground blocks off that least resistant path.

Legalizing prostitution adds a huge avenue for pretty girls to rake in extensive money for little in return.

A society legalizing prostitution is a society going downhill. What's next? Legalizing drugs?

We're supposed to allow people to live fulfilling lives that give back to society and help us all elevate our lives. Yeah that's happy land preaching but it is what we all should strive for...a good economy and society would have no room for prostitution or even drugs and if they were available a good strong society wouldn't have any users of those services because they're too busy spending time loving their family or doing their part as good citizens.

Whatever happened to working hard, settling down with a good woman, being a good father and husband and providing the best you can for your family.

[Sanjitsu]

You're under the assumption that EVERYONE wants a family and everyone wants kids. Some people don't, so why deny them the sexual pleasures that they want. Unfortunately, not everyone views sex as a "sacred bond" between 2 people. Swingers being case in point. Is it wrong? I believe so, yes. But if every economic decision was based on morals then I'm sure gas prices wouldn't be shooting through the shitter and taxes wouldn't be so heavy. That being said, if prositution WAS legalized it would be treated as an organized company A.K.A. Vegas brothels or the Red Light Districts in which prostitutes fill out 1099 forms and go to monthly check-ups to make sure they have no diseases. Personally, it would boost the economy because instead of guys having to go into the back alley's to pay 100-500 dollars to get laid (under the table). The money would now be cycled through the taxing processes inevitably reducing our taxes as well as putting more money into banks and other businesses. Most prostitutes hoarde their money under a matress for fear of depositing it in the bank or have it lost to their "pimps" in order to keep them prostituting on the street.

[AmyLynn]

This is a hard subject. I like the idea of legalizing prostitution because you know people are going to do it, so why not make it easily accessible for prostitutes to get monthly check-ups for diseases. Most cannot afford any sort of medical insurance or medical bills now to have this done. Don't you think this would stop the spreading of sexual diseases? Also, don't you think that having prostitution legalized with make it safer for the prostitutes? They do not have to stand on street corners and worry about getting mugged or killed in a dark alley. Now they can have an actual established to go to like a brothel.
On the other hand, the whole basis for prostitution just feels morally wrong to me. I do not understand someone going out and paying for sex. Especially someone who is married. That just pisses me off more than anything.

On something else mentioned....I think Marijuana should be legalized. It is not THAT harmful and really helps for medical purposes. Pre-Hailey, I was known to smoke a few. And I never had migraines during that time. It was the best year of my life. Now, I am lucky if a migraine does not pop up more than once a week and so far, no over the counter or prescription medication has been as effective.
Also, as Lewis Black stated in Beer vs. Weed.....Beer is the real evil!!!!

[Sanjitsu]

*ahem* lol aside from the smoking weed. The biggest argument seems to be that of infidelity within a marital relationship. However, when you think about it...The fact that someone is visiting a prostitute establishment and paying money when he's married already means that he wanted to do it in the first place. Let me elaborate. A prostitute establishment isn't going to be on the "main drag" along with the mall and what not. Therefore it wouldn't be one of those, "oh well, since I'm here and looking at naked women why not?". The fact that someone would get up and physically drive to cheat on his/her partner. Means, to me, that they would of cheated on them one way or another anyway...So why not have the economy prosper from it

[Seraph]

What's next? Gladitorial events? Collosium events where man faces 3 lions?

How about some history lessons from the romans or other old nations.

There is a reason why things of that nature are illegal despite open volunteering for participation. I'm sure people would try out for the man vs lion event if the money was worth it. That doesn't mean we as a society should allow it.

No matter what kind of legalization you provide there will be people that exploit it. Why even legalize prostituion so you can provide these women a safe habitat for paid sex? If they were that forward with what they were doing they would move into the pornography business.

Let's not forget most of these hookers are coked out of their minds but sex and drugs in that line of work goes hand in hand.

Also, these are rarely your nice looking women standing on the corner paying for a blowjob with all their teeth in tact. These are women living on the bottom of the barrel and if you can miracuously change their situation I'm sure not one of them will decide to continue doing the corner thing.

Saying the husbands would cheat on their wives anyways isn't a sound argument because there is thing called "temptation". I'm sure there are a good portion of (not all) husbands who want to have an affair atleast once in their lives. But if you remove the temptation those "wants" stay wants and never grow into fruition. Perhaps with time they'll be glad they never acted on those desires.

You can't allow sound natural socially accept immoral services because "people will do it anyways".

My stance is not to facilitate unethical behavior because people will do it anyways but to fix the very reason why people even bear those behavioral problems.

I never assumed all men wanted to be fathers and all women want to be mothers. But it's a reasonable assumption that all men and woman want a fulfilled existence on this small planet for their short days.

No child grows up without dreams and wishes to be that corner girl. The lack of funds, the shitty situations, and the horrible experiences all add up to putting a now grown little girl on the street where she lays on her back for a few bucks a client.

We have to start fixing problems at their core, not slapping bandaids on them. This is all wishful thinking but everything starts with a simple thought.

[Sanjitsu]

I think paid sex and pitting a man against a lion aren't on opposite fields of one another T_T Temptation? There's plenty of temptation when you go to bars, clubs, out to eat. Should we now ban V-neck shirts because it could possibly tempt someone toward immoral thoughts which could lead towards infidelity actions?

Not to mention, Europe has a the thriving "Red Light District" that isn't filled with coke whores and drug addicts and it can be considered a decent living. The same as some people don't mind scrubbing toilets their whole life or being a manager at a fast food restaurant. The same can be said for people who don't mind pleasuring someone for a living. Not legalizing prostitution isn't fixing prostitution, it's making it worst IMO because now you have wicked people indebting said prostitute so she can be a prostitute for the rest of her life.

Stripping is legal yet no one seems to have qualms about throwing money at a girl to see her naked body and rub her tits on someone's face or dive in for lap dances. If a girl wanted to show her body to some horny guys or sexually pleasure them in order to gain finances to fulfill a long goal or dream, then hell, I'd rather it be done in a controlled/safe environment than the harsh reality of the back alley. I've known and spoke to 2 girls in my life-time that have stripped and done some "side things" in order to pay for a higher education and better themselves. To them, it was a small sacrifice to hit the 6 digit income.

Is it right or wrong? Like I've said before...I don't care about the moral side to it. But if prostitution was legalized and establishments like the "Red Light District" were created then it would start weeding out the "dirty pimps" and the coke habit enslaved trash alley hookers. Like all jobs, there would be an interviewing process and drug test, etc. etc.

[Seraph]

The two aren't very far apart at all. It's a step and with your attitude you keep assuming the "positive" gains when there aren't any really. Especially not incomparison to getting rid of the entire act of prostitution.

As far as your argument is concerned I can replace prostitution with heroine or meth and every arguement you have delivered would apply. So in that case why not legalize all drugs so that it takes the power out of the pimps and drug dealers right? Doing drugs is a personal event and it doesn't immediately affect anyone around you right?

As for temptation there are varying degrees of it, it would be wise not to dumb down the term to fit your defense. It's one thing to have v-necks it's another to have a woman stand on a corner letting you know she's up for hire.

Your argument of legalizing prostitution "because of "wicked people indebting said prostitute so she can be a prostitute for the rest of her life" is ridiculous. The way you word it makes it seem like prostitutes are sexy slaves to the almighty pimp. Not every corner girls answers to a pimp.

So instead of abolishing this "terrible ordeal of sex slaving" you plan to legalize it and that magically makes it correct and places a positive spin on it?

Also Red Light Districts aren't a franchise like McDonalds across Europe. I'm sure there are a lot of places out there who would toss you across the country border for bringing it up.

Just because cops won't go busting down the sex door because the govt. has deem prostitution legal certainly doesn't mean everything gets fixed. There are crooks everywhere and magically druglords and pimps won't scatter like rats in bright light because the cops can't arrest you for it.

Looking at the big picture a society giving into things like that is a step down not forward, because like I said before. How many normal girls with the opportunity to choose any career path is going to say "I wanna pleasure people for a living".

Not many, I confidently say not even 5% of the female population would choose to be a prostitute over any other career. Butter it up all you want but there is no dignity in laying on your back letting every stinky dirty ol' man blow his load in or on you 40hrs a week.

"Right or wrong" is the underlying core thing here. You can't afford to take a neutral morality stance and then sit up there and argue the "posititves" to legalizing prostitution. It's also not some billion kajillion dollar business that if legalized would bring so much income to the economy. They're hookers. They're typically opressed, living in shitty neighborhoods, under conditions that no one's parent would wish upon their children.

But this entire thread has you going from comparing prostituion to meeting a girl at a club or a bar to you saying prostitutes are being pinned down into doing it by wicked pimps. You're either over-glorifying what it is to be a hooker or dumbing down the entire issue.

The argument that "If someone wants to pay someone for some decent sex, then why the fuck not?" can be applied to buying PCP or Meth. I wonder 25 years from now what you'll say if your daughter (assuming you have one) tells you she wants to be a pornstar or a professional call girl. That she wants to go to Europe where the Red Light District "is thriving" to fulfill her dreams of pleasuring men.

Well this arguement has gone on too long, let's hope they never legalize prositution on a federal level. (Can they do that?). For apparently obvious ethical/moral reasons and for health reasons. I see your arguments and they work assuming all brothel owners abide and enforce the rules merticulously but the State of Nevada has always had relaxed laws towards prostitution. It is legal there and I suppose you could make it the USA's captial red light district, according to my research they test weekly for STDs and monthly for HIV.

Yet...go figure you still see hookers on the streets despite Nevada being the promised land for whoring.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada

I suggest checking that out and reading about the nuisances and the positives, but you gotta be kidding if you think legalizing it magically fixes everything.

[AmyLynn]

seraph said:

How many normal girls with the opportunity to choose any career path is going to say "I wanna pleasure people for a living".

Not many, I confidently say not even 5% of the female population would choose to be a prostitute over any other career. Butter it up all you want but there is no dignity in laying on your back letting every stinky dirty ol' man blow his load in or on you 40hrs a week.

I have met many girls whose goal in life was to be a porn star. And, I think Porn is exactly like prostitution. Some guy gets to have sex with some girl and have their fantasies come true. If guys/girls can film porn for a living and get paid. Then why can't someone have sex for a living and get paid? The difference between the two is that only guys with large penises and women with large breasts become porn stars. (sure, there are some porn stars that do not fit in this category, but most do.) The average guy with an average sized penis and the average looking woman can become prostitutes. I have known two prostitutes who get paid very well. Way more than what I made at my job and fairly close to what my husband makes at his job. Also, one of them enjoys the job because she feels she is "providing a service to others who have difficulty getting what they need the conventional way (aka picking up someone in a bar)"
That is why most women become prostitutes to make money. Money for drugs, bills, school...whatever. They still get paid well. I would love to charge $50-100 for a blow job, $200 for sex...and even more if the guy wants to get kinky. Also, some females love sex, even crave it, or get off on having sex with random strangers. They would be perfect for the job and, if legal, may even decide it was the job for them.
I think you would be surprised how many people would become prostitutes if it was legalized. Knowing that you cannot get sent to jail because you sell yourself. I think you would also be surprised exactly how much money the businesses would make.

[AmyLynn]

On a side note....are we really the only three people who have any opinions what so ever???

[Raenen]

$5 sucky sucky, me love you long timeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Meee soooo horny

Prostitutes will always be around; always have, and always will be

[Sanjitsu]

I don't see how you can equate prostitution with drugs. Let's break it down...Drugs = Mental and physical degradation, addiction and financial bankruptcy. Where do those apply to prostitution? Some people may be addicted to sex, I've met a few, so it sounds like a perfect job for them?

More over, legalizing prostitution isn't supposed to be a "one stop all" I don't know where you seem to get those grandeur ideas from any of my statements. You keep going on about "stopping prostitution" but how do you suggest you do that? Throw the prostitutes and jail and increase taxes in order to feed an already full jail house? Slap a $2500 fine on them? How are they gonna get that money? Probably by hitting up the streets again in order to pay for the fine. You can't abolish prostitution anymore than you can abolish weed, so the economy might as well get a "piece" of the profit.

Your only arguments seem to be the fact of infidelity which I believe that, if someone wants to pay 200-500 to cheat on their wife then I don't know what to tell you because I'm pretty sure he could of gotten it for free. 2nd argument being some girl lying on her back which, if it were a legalized job it would be her choice and seh can quit when she likes :oP

Oh well rockband time!!! WAHAHHHH

[Seraph]

I had this huge post but deleted everything for this. Let's educate ourselves before you jump on the ""freedom of choice" bandwagon and attempt to sound cool by going with legalizing it starts to fix it.

Let it be known that the Netherlands did this very thing in hopes it would shine some light on the situation. Looking at things from an arm-chair-general-it-looks-good-on-paper perspective never means it'll always work well in reality. If it did we would be communist right now.

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Read it. It's 10 well informed reasons with the data to back it up. Most of the arguements are directly against the very things said in this thread.

In the Netherlands, women in prostitution point out that legalization or decriminalization of the sex industry does not erase the stigma of prostitution. Because they must register and lose their anonymity, women are more vulnerable to being stigmatized as “whores,” and this identity follows them everyplace. Thus, the majority of women in prostitution still operate illegally and underground.

The argument that legalization was supposed to take the criminal elements out of sex businesses by strict regulation of the industry has failed. The real growth in prostitution in Australia since legalization took effect has been in the illegal sector. Over a period of 12 months from 1998-1999, unlicensed brothels in Victoria tripled in number and still operate with impunity (Sullivan & Jeffreys, 2001). In New South Wales where brothels were decriminalized in 1995, the number of brothels in Sydney had tripled to 400-500 by 1999, with the vast majority having no license to advertise or operate. In response to widespread police corruption, control of illegal prostitution was removed from police jurisdiction and placed under the control of local councils and planning regulators. However, the local councils do not have the resources to investigate illegal brothel operators (Sullivan & Jeffreys, 2001).

A legalized system of prostitution often mandates health checks and certification, but only for women and not for male buyers. Health examinations or tests for women but not men make no public health sense because monitoring prostituted women does not protect them from HIV/AIDS or STDs. This is not to advocate that both women in prostitution and male buyers should be checked. It is simply to point out the duplicity of a policy that implies, “We‟ll have safer sex and HIV/AIDS control if we examine the women under a regulated or decriminalized system of prostitution.” Male buyers can and do originally transmit disease to the women they purchase.

Most women in prostitution did not make a rational choice to enter prostitution from among a range of other options. They did not sit down one day and decide that they wanted to be prostitutes. They did not have other real options such as medicine, law, nursing or politics. Instead, their “options” were more in the realm of how to feed themselves and their children. Such choices are better termed survival strategies. Rather than consenting to prostitution, a prostituted woman more accurately complies with the extremely limited options available to her. Her compliance is required by the fact of having to adapt to conditions of inequality that are set by the customer who pays her to do what he wants her to do. Most of the women interviewed in the studies authored by Raymond et al. reported that choice in entering the sex industry could only be discussed in the context of a lack of other options. Many described prostitution as their last choice, or as an involuntary way of making ends meet (Raymond et al., 2001; Raymond et al., 2002). In one study, 67% of a group of law enforcement officials expressed the opinion that women did not enter prostitution voluntarily. Similarly, 72% of social service providers did not think that women voluntarily choose to enter the sex industry (Raymond et al 2001, p. 91).

In a 5-country study on sex trafficking, most of the trafficked and prostituted women interviewed in the Philippines, Venezuela and the United States (3) strongly stated their opinion that prostitution should not be legalized and considered legitimate work, warning that legalization would create more risks and harm for women from already violent customer and pimps (Raymond et al, 2002). One woman said, “No way. It‟s not a profession. It is humiliating, and violence from the men‟s side.” Not one woman we interviewed wanted her children, family or friends to have to earn money by entering the sex industry. Another woman stated: “Prostitution stripped me of my life, my health, everything” (Raymond et al., 2002).

It goes on and on and on and on. Read. Learn. Think twice. Child prostitution shot up in areas it was legalized. Legalizing it doesn't solve much of anything. What it does do is open the doors to many other darker actions. This isn't fairy tale land where pussy for cash is a simple isolated event. Life is complicated and people are affected in ways one person can never foresee.

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