Post by Koach on Sept 5, 2008 10:58:13 GMT -6
and YES...Ghostcrawler is a chick!
Anyways, this is just a "yipee" moment for me. I dont expect all of you to read the wall of text in the post linked unless you are a tank. If you are curious though, Ghostcrawler answers ALOT of questions from the BETA forums.
blue.mmo-champion.com/10/9336801184-dear-devs-want-prot-pvp-to-be-viable.html
Two things she emphasizes:
PROT WAR DPS
" Q u o t e:
What this should really illustrate to people, blue and player alike, is how badly wanting the arms tree is currently in terms of raw dps, raid dps, and flat out playability.
Ghostcrawler:
I'm not sure what you're trying so hard to read between my lines, but if you want it phrased another way: we buffed Prot dps so significantly that it's possible they could tank a dungeon and be on top of the damage meters. That is not a good situation for the game, however, and if it's true we'll fix it. If you're trying to say Arms dps is too low, then we'll fix that too. "
CHARGE AVAILABLE IN DEFENSIVE STANCE
" Q u o t e:
I'm going to echo this and ask for a response as well. Even if Charge granted 100 rage on use, we then LOSE IT ALL swapping back to Defensive stance. Frankly, the entire Warbringer talent looks like a waste of a talent point and a waste of dev time, and your explanations aren't doing anything to change that.
Ghostcrawler:
Would it be too much of a stretch to imagine Warbringer lets you use Charge in Defensive Stance? Boom. Problem solved. It's a fun talent. It was fun in our Halls of Lightning test tonight. Very experienced tanks outside of our walls like it. But if it's not for you, then don't get it. It's one talent point. "
So whats this mean for me? Well, first off, DPS is DPS, we all know that. Prot tree is my baby and even though I have been pimping Titans Grip from my BETA impressions, Prot is still where my heart is and I think I might stick it out if I can whack mobs for enough damage to keep a smile on my face.
As for charge...for those who havent played warriors, or didnt know, we have 3 "zoom zoom" talents, one for each stance.
Battle Stance has Charge which lets you charge a target while out of combat and generate rage while stunning for 2 sec.
Berserker Stance has Intercept which lets you chrge the target while in combat at the cost of rage while stunning for 2 sec.
Defensive stance has Intervene which lets you charge a part/raid member and take damage for them for the next few seconds.
By adding Charge to the defensive arsenal, tanks can Charge into battle on top of using Bloodrage (generate 16 rage instantly and 10 more rage over 10 seconds) and actually have enough rage to frontload threat, kinda like Prot Pally but not quite as good.
If specced into Improved Charge and improved bloodrage, charging into a boss fight along with the initial whack of my sword will allow me Shield Block the first blow, lay a Shield Slam, Devistate, and Thunderclap right off the bat. No more "WAIT FUR 3 SUNDERZ PLS".
Pulling with my gun Using Weapon Throw ( wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=57755 ) will still be choice for most fights though. Charging in can sometimes be a bad thing if you end up out of the range of healers or if you aggro more mobs. Thats bad news!
Anyways, this is just a "yipee" moment for me. I dont expect all of you to read the wall of text in the post linked unless you are a tank. If you are curious though, Ghostcrawler answers ALOT of questions from the BETA forums.
blue.mmo-champion.com/10/9336801184-dear-devs-want-prot-pvp-to-be-viable.html
Two things she emphasizes:
PROT WAR DPS
" Q u o t e:
What this should really illustrate to people, blue and player alike, is how badly wanting the arms tree is currently in terms of raw dps, raid dps, and flat out playability.
Ghostcrawler:
I'm not sure what you're trying so hard to read between my lines, but if you want it phrased another way: we buffed Prot dps so significantly that it's possible they could tank a dungeon and be on top of the damage meters. That is not a good situation for the game, however, and if it's true we'll fix it. If you're trying to say Arms dps is too low, then we'll fix that too. "
CHARGE AVAILABLE IN DEFENSIVE STANCE
" Q u o t e:
I'm going to echo this and ask for a response as well. Even if Charge granted 100 rage on use, we then LOSE IT ALL swapping back to Defensive stance. Frankly, the entire Warbringer talent looks like a waste of a talent point and a waste of dev time, and your explanations aren't doing anything to change that.
Ghostcrawler:
Would it be too much of a stretch to imagine Warbringer lets you use Charge in Defensive Stance? Boom. Problem solved. It's a fun talent. It was fun in our Halls of Lightning test tonight. Very experienced tanks outside of our walls like it. But if it's not for you, then don't get it. It's one talent point. "
So whats this mean for me? Well, first off, DPS is DPS, we all know that. Prot tree is my baby and even though I have been pimping Titans Grip from my BETA impressions, Prot is still where my heart is and I think I might stick it out if I can whack mobs for enough damage to keep a smile on my face.
As for charge...for those who havent played warriors, or didnt know, we have 3 "zoom zoom" talents, one for each stance.
Battle Stance has Charge which lets you charge a target while out of combat and generate rage while stunning for 2 sec.
Berserker Stance has Intercept which lets you chrge the target while in combat at the cost of rage while stunning for 2 sec.
Defensive stance has Intervene which lets you charge a part/raid member and take damage for them for the next few seconds.
By adding Charge to the defensive arsenal, tanks can Charge into battle on top of using Bloodrage (generate 16 rage instantly and 10 more rage over 10 seconds) and actually have enough rage to frontload threat, kinda like Prot Pally but not quite as good.
If specced into Improved Charge and improved bloodrage, charging into a boss fight along with the initial whack of my sword will allow me Shield Block the first blow, lay a Shield Slam, Devistate, and Thunderclap right off the bat. No more "WAIT FUR 3 SUNDERZ PLS".
