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Post by AmyLynn on Dec 18, 2008 14:03:56 GMT -6
I was reading the below article today about Blagojevich's lawyer stating the conversations that were taped in which the governor was trying to auction the senate seat should not be used in his impeachment trial because it was an illegal wiretapping. www.bnd.com/homepage/story/583092.htmlI know wiretapping without someone's knowledge is wrong...but if that person is doing something illegal and criminal, then that person should be punished and the wiretapping should be allowed as evidence. I don't do stupid illegal things because I am afraid someone might be listening but because I know they are stupid and illegal. I just don't agree with ignoring strong evidence the proves someone is doing something wrong just because it may not have been obtained legally. What do you guys think?? |
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Post by llael on Dec 18, 2008 21:21:27 GMT -6
If they took him to court with illegally obtained evidence, they're the stupid ones. T_T 4th amendment exclusionary rule kthx.
*clears throat* it was one my exam <.<
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Post by AmyLynn on Dec 19, 2008 8:01:09 GMT -6
Um, I know the laws and amendments. I am saying I don't always agree with them.
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Post by Seraph on Dec 20, 2008 11:57:42 GMT -6
It can be a sticky situation. On one hand the method of obtaining evidence can be illegal or even amoral but if the evidence it brings to surface is legit do you ignore the evidence?
I'd say no the evidence should not be ignored, but if this became common practice or less uncommon, planting evidence to receive wiretapping "go aheads" or tricking law breakers into confessing by using illegal tactics would open a pandoras box.
On the other hand we all know methods like this have been used, entire movies have been made on this single concept.
In Blagojevich's case, the man is already waist high in the cesspool, he's just down right insane for acting the way he does given his situation. His conversation should be allowed in trial.
All evidence pointing towards exposing someone's misdeeds should be allowed. Illegally obtained, legally obtained...evidence is evidence. It's like giving someone a pardon because the good guys didn't play by the rules or something. Bad guys don't play by the rules...
Our Justice system needs heavy work. How many movies (yeah movies but they provide a situation that can happen in real life in some cases) where the cops KNOW this particular guy is a damn thug, drug dealer, murderer, thief, but they can't arrest him because of lack of evidence or they want stronger evidence to push for a harder sentence.
I just think that's ridiculous in those more extreme cases. While cops are trying to get evidence, bad guy is able to do more damage to society.
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Post by Sanjitsu on Dec 20, 2008 12:36:55 GMT -6
I definitely think it should be admissible given the fact that he KNEW he was being wiretapped. He made that speech talking about if they wanted to wiretap him then they can go ahead because he has nothing to hide. He's just a moron, evidence...no evidence send this fucker to pound me in the ass prison
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Post by Raenen on Dec 20, 2008 15:30:55 GMT -6
In terms of legality, I have yet to take Evidence so I can contribute very little from a "legal" standpoint. However, in terms of practicality, I say throw his ass in jail. Not only is Blagojevich an asshole, he's also a crooked and sleezy asshole. Illinois has a rich heritage of governmental corruption, and this only adds to our ongoing streak of rotten governors.
Maybe Illinois residents will finally realize that when we elect people who are from the Chicagoland area (where the HEART of all IL government corruption lies) the odds that that particular politician is crooked are extremely high.
In this particular instance, I agree with what Alan had to say in terms of his consent. If you feel confident enough to give Feds the "okay" to wiretap your conversations, maybe you should refrain from trying to sell a vacant senate seat to the next highest bidder. Fucking dumbass.
The funniest part about this whole situation is that ex Governor George Ryan had a pending petition for pardon by George W. Bush before he leaves office. His odds prior to Blago's arrest were pretty good. Now, not so much. If I was George Ryan, I would hope that Blago drops the soap.
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