Open RVR vs Core

[Seraph]

Mythic has made it clear Core is their focus.

I love Open RVR, being able to kill the opposition whenever you see them is great. Which is funny because I hated PvP servers in WoW. It was full of ganking and the way the world is built you really had no defense.

In Warhammer, if you can make it to an outpost you're saved. Plus the way the whole system is built is much better.

My concern and it's something I did not know prior to going Open RVR. From my understanding I thought you got chickened if you went to the opposition's side in a Tier 2 or 1 area if you were level 40. But it seems you're chickened EVERYWHERE in Tier 1 and 2. So some lairs are in Tier 1 but were made for level 40s. Yet level 40s can't get there due to being a chicken. Also quest you didn't complete...you can't do in ORVR due to the chicken.

Core server T4 is 90% ORVR from my understanding. So at end game all servers behave like an ORVR server, except you gain the benefit of walking around all the tiers without being chickened.

Massive pros/cons. On one hand you get to own shit all the way up to 40. On the other hand once at 40 all servers stand equal except O RVR takes a hit in T1 and T2 content.

So far it hasn't been an issue at all. If you're level 31 you can go to all the Tiers, once you hit 32 you're chickened in T2, but you have full reign in T3/T4. T3 would be your low to mid 20s and all the way up to your 30s. Basically you could seriously gank some fools at level 40 still. A level 22 vs a 40....dead in seconds.

There has been talk of merging their abundant amount of servers to even out the balance of Order vs Chaos on some servers. Also possibly a one time transfer character to wherever type deal.

I have mixed feelings because ORVR feels more realistic in the context of the story/lore. It's Good vs Evil here unlike WoW. Plus the way the zones are built, the two sides are segregated for the most part.

I just can't imagine doing a PQ like in T2 dwarf and not being able to kill the destros in the PQ...it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The fun of it is killing them while killing orcs/gobs to advance your side's PQ to stage 2. Not being able to kill them just...eh, I dunno.

The best solution would be removing your ability to kill players in T1/T2 but allow you to kill the mobs. And I believe they just might do that in the end. And if that happens, ORVR will have the absolute best ruleset.

[Kono]

It kind of sucks though that you can't go back to do quests etc., people rushing to 40 will miss out on a ton of titles and lore unlocks they may have wanted to try to get but can't go back to get now.

[Seraph]

Interesting so in Core you can be turned into a chicken as well if you accidently buff lowbies or flag yourself for RVR?

So basically if they remove the chicken from PvP on ORVR it'll be like a Core server except ORVR outside of lakes in your current tier and the one below your own.

[Kono]

The chicken thing is a good idea... But kind of a lame one too IMO.

At 40, you can still go down and rape 22-26s, people doing chapters 10-13 etc. What's the point? Might as well allow them to go lower while you're at it. Then at least they can do stuff like I said, get titles, lore unlocks, etc. But ohh well.

[Seraph]

Yup for ORVR it works fine. The fact I can walk down into Avelorn and blow a dude down is fine.

It's how the PvP check knocks out PvE becomes the issue.

Because it affects PvE I easily see Mythic addressing the problem. Since the game supports stat scaling, it could easily support it in the negative area. Perhaps dropping your stats from a 40 down to the appropiate Tier level like, if I went down into T1, I would have the stats of a level 8. If I went down into Tier 2, I'd have the stats of a leve 18.

That way you're not quite OP in comparison to players who are level 11 or 21. I don't know how they would scale the armor.

But all this does is provide a compromising chicken status to players who go into T1 and T2 at level 40. It doesn't solve the issue of doing PvE content in Tier 1 zones.

At the same time...a level 40 could grief a level 8 by rounding up all the mobs and killing them before the level 8 gets a chance.

So the rules need to be complex and all encompassing. Specific to the situations.

I don't have a problem not killing level 21s and below. That's just down right bullying. Hell killing a 22 is plain ridiculous, but the idea of other mid to higher levels showing up is a real issue.

It's not so bad now but let's think 9 months down the road when a group of 40s show up in T3 zones...knocking down mid 20 players. It's going to be a gank nightmare. With only players like ourselves who will be 40 by then to help the little ones out.

So the chicken REALLY doesn't do shit because killing a level 22 is as bad as killing a level 8 if you ask me. Luckily if 40s do show up in our side, killing them will cause them to have to run all the way back which most likely will deter many "gankers".


So simple solution. Remove the zone tier and place the tiering on the player. A player cannot attack another player if their level is within the T1 and T2 levels. 40 can't attack a level 21 and below.

That allows everyone to do the PvE game. But also if a T4 black orc decides to come to T1 to kill all the lowbie mobs to die by a T4 Order driving them out of our "side".

[chibbiwon]

But the game tiers are important because thats what the game is based on capturing all tiers so then you can assault destructions main base then main city. By leaving it zone tiers you allow for slow comfortable leveling and making it important to take part in every part of the game at all levels. Thats what i think they are trying for.

[Seraph]

But that's the point of the issue. I'm not saying remove Tier 1, 2,3, 4, I'm just saying let level 40s actually participate in Tier 1+2 content.

Now a one shot rule won't fix it. Keeps are a whole new animal and when you walk into one it's almost like a PQ. So I'd treat the Keeps like RVR. Instead of up-ranking. It should down-rank you and your armor accordingly.

So if a level 40 goes into a T2 Keep battle, he's downranked to 18 just like RVR and his gear takes a % hit. Level 40 gear...should probably take a 50% hit in T2. Maybe 75% as some pieces of gear are downright scary. My shoulders have 44 toughness and that's level 27 equip. Having 22 toughness shoulders at 18 would be crazy.

That said, they could remove all skills after 18 as well or downrank them. Granted an Ether Dance at level 18 is also imba, but you gotta give them some room. A level 40 should have some positive role albeit he's still rank 18 while a regular rank 21 gets the benefit of being 3 leves higher in a keep battle.

Something needs to be done though.

As on the extreme side, if everyone is level 40 on a very mature server, guilds would have to role alts to take T2 keeps or defend them and with PvP giving exp. Eventually, slowly but surely those alts would level out of T2 as well requring another alt.

See what I mean? This is on the extreme side but definitely possible. So level 40s shouldn't be locked out of content, they should be toned down but not locked out.

But like the Devs said and if it's anything like DAOC, a single guild isn't going to do shit on a Capital siege, it would take groups of extremely large guilds to participate. That one server with the captial attack exploited a backdoor with the T4 keeps but got wiped terribly in the city

So I think Keeps need to be worked for level 40s to participate with balancing in place and all Tiers should be open for exploration but not for Open PvP. Clearly a level 40 in a T1 zone who isn't there for quest or achievements or exploration is just there for "ganking". So removed the ganking issue by making it where 40s can't attack players who's levels are T1/T2, the exception would be the T2 keeps after some balancing mechanism.