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Post by Elstara on Sept 15, 2008 9:34:30 GMT -6
I am seriously thinking of cancelling my account in WoW until Wrath. WAR offers so much more and its a pretty epic game I have to admit. I didn't think I would get in to it this much but it's a blast.
I just don't see me logging on to WoW to play when I have WAR. I will play again when Wrath is out.
There is so much to do on WAR, like the pvp there is so much more fun. The achievements add something different to the fray as does the pq's. All in all WAR is just a solid game...a few bugs but they are working them out.
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Post by Koach on Sept 15, 2008 9:47:36 GMT -6
If there are any 14 day free trial friend invites or whatever..hook that shit up! I wanna check out WAR.
Also...do you really think you wouldnt be able to give up 6 hours for Kara once a week? Some of us still want to do a little progression, but it requires the 10 of us.
If we cant get it right now, come WotLK when we have 10 man raids, we'll hit the same wall.
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Post by Sanjitsu on Sept 15, 2008 9:50:08 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm glad that WAR is a great game and I'll be playing this Tuesday. However, I still would like to do SOMETHING every week. Kara, preferably, because it involves 10 people. I didn't spend $25 to transfer and $30 in monthly payments, so far, just to do BG's and then quit.
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Post by Sanjitsu on Sept 15, 2008 9:51:01 GMT -6
I understand that WAR is fun, but like Kocurek said, taking 6 hours off WAR to do an instance shoudln't be that big of a deal. And if no one can do that, then I'd say you have an addiction problem O.o
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Post by Kono on Sept 15, 2008 10:18:03 GMT -6
I'd have to agree here.
I'm all for WAR. It was a blast and I can't wait to start back up again tomorrow. But we should still keep with our PLAN, because we're just now hitting the exact same spot we were before and ready for Kara only to not be able to run it again...
Edit: BTW, Wrath has been officially announced for November 13th. That would still give us 2 months of Kara to get some raiding experience.
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Post by Raenen on Sept 15, 2008 10:48:30 GMT -6
And just like that it begins, huh?
I understand WAR is fun; all MMO's are fun in their early stages, no matter what. Nevertheless, I like how we all planned to do some end game progression and now that we're finally arriving people are deciding to jump ship for the new toy.
I'd say more on this but I haven't been on much because of school. Still, that doesn't mean I won't have a few hours a week to have fun running an instance with everyone.
Either way, it's your money, time, and entertainment. I'm not going to knock you for doing what you want to do; just keep in mind that you are a healer and your absence would hinder the group's end game progression. I'm sure it won't be that bad to still be able to play both games.
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Post by Seraph on Sept 15, 2008 11:16:32 GMT -6
I agree, you'd have to be a simpleton or rabid WoW fanatic to not see the massive postive changes WAR brings to the MMO genre.
WoW was a huge forward step for the MMO genre with questing and casual game play playing together with well placed quest givers and an involved story driven world.
WAR does what WoW did and does it a shit ton better. The graphics are like WoW but have the shining high end polish of LOTRO. The quest are very much like Outlands/Isle. The world itself is heavily going through war and expresses it exceptionally well. It's like the Isle of Queldanas (sp) all over the place.
Tons of outposts/towns. I mean big towns, not 4 guys standing around a fire. You have your forest outposts around a camp and then tons of strongholds big enough to stand as big towns. Soldiers are all over the place, npcs are fighting. The PQ with the orcs vs high elves is done in real time. The world is ALIVE with war.
It's an awesome world and you feel like you're a part of the entire war experience.
My only beef is the gear. The stats are there like WoW, crit, dodge, parry, block, attack power, etc. It's all there. But you definitely get less of it and it seems to be a tiered system where within the tier are variations of the tiered armor. I did notice Kendra change through 3 unique looking robes while I as a SM got the same robe but I was able to put a breastplate over the robe. The shoulders are seperate just like WoW, but they're fairly rare so far.
We played from 11:01am till 10:30pm taking a 2hr break for dinner/movie and I still finally managed to hit Rank 9 with a small renown level of 4. This isn't WoW where you fly through the levels.
Each level you're changing gear, you're doing RVR, PQs, travelling. It's an awesome experience and everything flows together nicely. If you have to kill 10 spiders for spider glands each spider drops a gland. All the Tier 1 mobs are badass looking especially when you get to the shoreline and fight the mounted dark elf riders and stuff.
Wrath better do something right and take WoW off the "Instance > Raid" path it's on. Warhammer has all of it but gives it to you at your pace. Even RVR can be entered at any time and when you're done it puts you RIGHT back to where you were. It would be like flagging for AV in the middle of Un'goro Crater on a whim and when your AV is done you're back where you signed up in Un'goro. If you're fighting you can tell the RVR invite to give you a minute and it'll hold your spot for up to a minute and 30 seconds or so.
It's all a seamless process from PQing to inviting people to groups to O RVR. Ganking isn't a big deal because of the chicken consequence and since it's not a "I just wanna get to 70" style game. People enjoy the PVP, Open PVP, PQs and stuff as they go. Last night Kendra and I had a nice run in with 4 Disciples of Khaine (Hate those bastards) a Black Orc and a Zealot who stood between two major city camps. You had to either go through them or take the long way.
Either way, this is a fun game and the PVP is seamless in the O RVR, it's not so much PVP is done so well (As a SM I'm on the crappy end of the stick for sure after 4.10s nerf) but the type of players Warhammer is attracting. It's bringing in the table top guys and PvP focused players.
What that means? From what I've seen, it means cooperative strategic PvP, not gank fests where guys only kill the ones they're sure to kill. Also the healers are ridiculous, I watched an Archmage heal through 4 guys beating on her. If people focus fire on you, you go down at a decent rate but at 1800hp at level 9 people are doing at most 230 dmg hits on a rarity so you live a while. You don't just fall over dead after a lucky crit or two shots.
PROTECT your healers because this game having one single healer can allow one guy to own 10 dudes, it's that nuts. Heals are HoTs along with some casted ones so the healers are highly mobile with the HoTs and they can melt your face if you take them lightly. I had an entire rvr team on me but with 2 healers popping HoTs and melting faces I was able to tank my way for atleast 2 minutes before the rest of the DPS came to bust some heads.
Highly loveable game with tons of room to make those "Remember Warhammer when were did this and this..." memories.
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Post by Seraph on Sept 15, 2008 11:26:06 GMT -6
I listen to you guys bring up WoW still.
So far the only people playing WAR is myself, Kendra, and Cato because of the CE pre-order.
Kendra was all "I'm not quitting WoW" until she played WAR.
I'd wager most of you will be singing a different tune once you get some hours on WAR. It brings everything WoW brings and more.
I don't have the financial issue of choosing one over the other, but after playing WAR for nearly 10hrs, it really comes down to this: "Progression" and "point".
And as far as I see it, Warhammer is the sole winner of both of those topics for me.
You move from one good game to the other. We did with FFO, we did it with EQ2, and shit I'm doing it with WoW.
You guys wanna "progress" in WoW? Go ahead, nothing stopping you. But if you're clinging on to WoW out of some financial obligation I'd question your motivation. If it's because you think Warhammer isn't going to do it for you, I'd ask you to either go to some buddies house and play it or wait for a trial.
Either way, Warhammer does everything WoW does, but better. Just like WoW did everything EQ2 and that generation of MMOs better.
Instances? There's a few but they'll be growing. PQs? WoW doesn't have anything like it, but it would be like a very specific global instance that is open.
AV/WSG/AB/EOTS? War has all of that and more.
Quests? Yup, all with the polish and done better than WoW's Outlands.
They definitely took a magnifying glass to WoW and picked out everything that was good in it and used it, fixed it up, and made things more seamless.
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Post by Seraph on Sept 15, 2008 11:35:00 GMT -6
Play the game this week then talk to us WAR people about trying to play both WAR and WoW.
It's like driving a Ferrari all day and then asking us to have fun in your Prius.
I can do WoW/WAR, but what's the point? None for me unless it's some transparent obligation to you guys who wanna play WoW still.
So as of right now I haven't cancelled WoW because of you WoW thugs, but I see no willful reason to log into WoW at all.
There are people still playing EQ1 and Asheron's Call 1, more power to them but better, newer games do show up. That's just life. Sorta surprising WAR with all that hype in my eyes delivered.
It would take Wrath to do some good shit to make me play WoW again or Warhammer to fall apart at level 40 to make me look for something new. Fortunately I don't have to worry about 9 or 24 other pin heads to progress in Warhammer so unless I get tired of PvP, I could continue playing WAR.
And if I'm already tired of raids and instances and then PVP? I might as well quit MMOs because that's all they offer in the end.
IN SUMMARY: PLAY WARHAMMER THIS WEEK THEN TALK ABOUT WOW/WAR. I'll be much more willing to listen to your point then, because right now all I hear is QQing. People in this circle rarely stick to plans, hence why only a handful of us are in Outlands with our new characters. Play WAR with an open mind and decide.
If not you're asking people who want to play WAR full time to shoulder the idea of paying for 2 MMO subscriptions for a lame 4hr sandbox shot in a single 10 man raid per week without even giving the new game a decent shot.
I don't mean beta either because live is a ton faster (no-debugger running in the background) and I'm not sure if day/night cycle was active in open beta. Live I'm playing in the day time and stuff, I don't remember playing in the day time on beta. Plus there are a ton of players so things are more active...anyways.
War gets two thumbs up from me. WoW two thumbs down for being stale.
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Post by Koach on Sept 15, 2008 12:51:11 GMT -6
I CAN HAZ FREE TRIAL?
Not plopping down the cash just yet. If WAR were smart, they'll have one in a few weeks at least.
Im thinking Ironbreaker
ANyways, what ever happened to the "Ill play whatever you all want to play" Israel? I am not doubting the WAR vs WoW experience you are posting about...like you said, none of us have played it. But, there are still people who are counting on you as Main Tank of the Brave Hearts to run some Kara.
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Post by Elstara on Sept 15, 2008 12:58:59 GMT -6
I CAN HAZ FREE TRIAL? Not plopping down the cash just yet. If WAR were smart, they'll have one in a few weeks at least. Im thinking Ironbreaker ANyways, what ever happened to the "Ill play whatever you all want to play" Israel? I am not doubting the WAR vs WoW experience you are posting about...like you said, none of us have played it. But, there are still people who are counting on you as Main Tank of the Brave Hearts to run some Kara. We did not get any free trials...we just got the CE codes so we could start on Sunday. If I get a free trial I will get the code to you. The game is worth your money though without a doubt. It is a beautiful, wonderful game!
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Post by Seraph on Sept 15, 2008 13:07:11 GMT -6
True and like I said I haven't quit WoW yet. But I most certainly am not playing WoW because of "WoW".
I'll keep it going for everyone else but a few months ago I would have quit and if I had to choose one subscription over the other than I would choose WAR without question.
But 30 bucks a month is just that, 30 bucks a month. Chump change. So I'll have both up and ready unless...these Kara runs happen once or twice a month. It's not financially smart to pay 15 dollars a month for a few hours of gaming.
Either way, I boarded the War ship and if Mythic can do the content updates Blizzard did then WAR will be the first true contender against WoW in my eyes.
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Post by Sanjitsu on Sept 15, 2008 15:16:35 GMT -6
No one is saying that WAR isn't a good game...That isn't the argument T_T We ALL came back to WoW in order to perform 10-man Raids. Hell, I was fine with just waiting for WAR but I play to play with everyone and the majority wanted to hit the WoW and attempt 10 mans. Now that we're at that hurdle and a door knock away from actually doing it...Some people don't care to do it anymore which is a bit aggravating considering the time and money we've put into it. Financial obligations isn't an issue for me. However, even if I paid 6 bucks for a chicken sandwich at McDonalds and it turned out tasting like dooky I would still be pissed that I paid for it. WHy? It's the principal of the matter. I paid 6 bucks for a decent meal the same as I dropped $55 to do end game content. I'll be on WAR as much as the next guy considering I've been waiting eagerly for this game for the last year. However, I'm still going to drop playing it for one day if everyone wants to run Kara.
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Post by Koach on Sept 15, 2008 16:01:18 GMT -6
FYI..Kara is fun
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Post by RiCEADDiCTBOY on Sept 16, 2008 0:16:05 GMT -6
i played war. i just prefer blizzard games. maybe i don't have great taste in games like izzy...i like lame ass wow. but...fyi...alvarez knew this was gonna happen...so he just wanted me to say this is why he doesn't want to play. he didn't want to waste money for only the same thing to happen. ...and i agree with josh - kara is fun...so is everything above kara as well. but like the wise and noble billy once said - this isn't a job...do what you want with your money.
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Post by Kono on Sept 16, 2008 6:24:14 GMT -6
but like the wise and noble billy once said Who the fux is that?
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Post by Seraph on Sept 16, 2008 8:57:55 GMT -6
Quite honestly it's not even a matter of opinion here. It's not even a fair comparison between the two. To dump WAR and say I play WoW makes you a rabid fan in my eyes.
WAR in most every form is better than WoW. Graphics are better, combat is involved, PvP is done better, questing is done well, PQs are done well, Open group invites are done better. How quest are handled is done better.
The only thing I can say WoW is better at in it's current 4yr state is unique loot. If you're an instance nut then WoW in it's current form is better in that area.
You'd have your head up your ass and refuse to see the sweeping improvements between the two. It's just a "better" game it's WoW with lots of improvements so if you LIKE WoW, it's natural to me to have a positive outlook in Warhammer unless like I said you walk into it with some negative bias.
WAR is a natural evolution of WoW. It took WoW, diced it up, took the good parts and fixed up the bad parts and made a meal from it.
So for you Joe to say, I played WAR I don't like it. It just confirms for me that you stick with WoW just because it's "Blizzard" like you said. Oh well that's your call and it's the big arguement that many people toss out. Is WoW really a 11 million suscription game or is Blizzard + WoW an 11 million subscription game? Is it really because WoW is so great or is it because the alternative is not as good? Is it really because WoW is great or is it because everyone plays it so you bandwagon?
WAR = WoW is most every form just done better. You could quite honestly MOD the game turn the races into Orcs, Tauren, Blood Elfs, Drainei and you'd have WoW 2.0.
Anways next topic:
Let's also not talk about principles because I'm most certainly not the first to fuck up 10man game play. There was a major reason why we got to "10 man" before on the last server and stopped at Kara. Why didn't we run Kara last week? Kono is working the vast majority of this week.
In the end it seems like you guys are attempting to argue "Don't leave WoW! Stay and play for us!" when from the beginning I said I'd keep WoW up for these Kara runs. I'm basically PAYING 15 bucks to Blizzard to run a damn 10 man run less than 5 times a month.
My replies basically sum up why Kendra and myself placed WoW on the back burner compared to WAR.
I don't see anyone playing FFO? I don't see anyone playing LOTRO and WoW at the same time.
So if I decided to say see ya WoW I'm moving on, none of you guys have a foot to stand on when it comes to providing any form of persuasion. You've all quit games some of us were still very much interested in playing out of boredom. And we were forced to quit too to go with the "group".
So let's save the drama. I'll keep WoW because thats what I'm going to do at the moment. Our plan of doing 10 mans did not take into account Warhammer. Warhammer was a distant thought and an option but after "playing" Warhammer with an open mind, I've come to realize this is a shit load better than WoW and room for growth is there for my playstyle. I get to tank plus DPS in PvP, I get to do both. I can solo, I can duo, I do all the things I like to do. I enjoy the world and direction of the game.
So we'll see. Last week we didn't run Kara because of Josh. This week because of Kono. But I'll stick it out for a bit more and see how these "10 mans" work for this group.
If it comes down to some play WoW some play WAR then so be it. Hell everyone seems to do their own thing anyways, what started out to be 2x 5 man groups turned into barely 1x 5 man group for many less than stellar reasons. Joe wanted an "inclusive guild", Chibbi liked his Mage, Gohan and Sam want to play together, Josh has Ronda and doesn't like bear ass, the list goes on. Shit happens.
Consider WAR to be "shit happens" too.
So end of the argument. Kendra and myself both have WoW in active subscription status for Kara/ZA. Just like stated in the beginning. We will do the Kara thing.
I think the best part is...I didn't even think about Warhammer last week until you BG Failbots QQd about the Paladin's bubble and kept bringing up Warhammer.
"I can't wait for Warhammer, I can't wait to have a real PVP game." Anyways thanks for QQing because of that I gave Warhammer a try early instead of waiting a year.
/much love to my bros despite us bonking heads time to time.
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Post by Koach on Sept 16, 2008 9:23:05 GMT -6
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Post by Raenen on Sept 16, 2008 11:41:53 GMT -6
Yeah, I don't think I'll be on much in the near future. We'll see how my free time pans out. As far as WAR sounds, to hear Israel talk so highly about a game definitely intrigues me. He's probably the biggest game critic I know; especially when it comes to MMO's. Can't wait to play this Christmas break. I don't want to pick up WAR at this moment. It's not because I'm sucking the perverbial Blizzard Dick, it's just that whatever free time I will have to play games I'd rather just bg and progress a bit in WoW rather than start all over in another MMO. I know how MMO's are, and if this game is as good as you lay it out to be, I know I'd want to play way way too much. No hard feelings here. It's all about the love of gaming. One of these days we'll actually get a good to raid with more than 5 or 6 people. Long live WoW.
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Post by suisid3l on Sept 16, 2008 15:44:32 GMT -6
Im sure ill be playing warhammer at some point. But as of now im in the mmo for the PVE which wow pretty much owns. Then theres the time invested to consider for myself, I dont wanna give up all the time I spent lvling my toons and preparing for the expansion. As well as lvling another paladin all the way to 70 on a server with my friends AGAIN only to see everyone bail right when we finally get 10 ppl to Raiding lvl. Im with Alan on this one, I really dont care if warhammer is sucking me off while I play it anyway you look at it thats kinda fucked up.
Warhammer im sure has points in its game that are superior to wow, why shouldnt it...the thing was developed by maybe the only reputable pvp based mmo developers in the world, AND 4 years after wow....i'd hope someone woulda progressed from wow after that long.
So yes im in agreement the game may be superior to wow in some if not most aspects. But a majority of the points ppl make about the comparisons are still an OPINION, hence why ppl will still be playing wow and why others will migrate. A matter of preference.
which is why im not prepared to migrate just to play with everyone. I enjoy doing it but my preferences for which game I play are not always in alignment with everyones. And im not prepared to jump to 2-3 mmo's a year. I like seeing endgame content and traversing through holiday and festival quests and bosses.
One could argue WAR might have some great endgame content but we never even got to wow's endgame OR even started the raiding content for that matter. TWICE. (not to say we wont do it this time around but the pace for the ppl who chose to play wow would be brutally slow) And I love playing with everyone, thats half the excitment but im not prepared to do it on a whim with the expectations like i had in wow that never come to pass.
So ill see you guys on WAR when I see you.
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Post by Koach on Sept 16, 2008 15:54:36 GMT -6
So while I agree with Billy, its obvious the reason for such an easy shift is that people are just BORED with WoW. I mean, why else would someone want to play another game if they are having fun with their current one. Here's the thing though....is it WoW's fault that some of us are bored with it? Or is it our own fault?
Maybe we should start making some weekly goals for ourselves to keep things interesting. Like running the daily heroic 2 - 3 times a week. Getting back in the arena scene (even if it is 10 losses) and knocking those out. Grouping up for the Sunwell dailies. I mean when was the last time 8 or 9 of us ran an Eye of the Storm or Arathi Basin? Its been a while, but I know its fun when we do it.
Yeah, Burnnig Crusade has been out for quite sometime, we are small in numbers so or options are limited. We have done alot of what there is to do for a guild our size and its getting boring. I havent done my dailies in 3 days because i dont have anyone to do them with.
I look at my quest log and see 5 man group quests like the ones for Ogrila (killing the dragon) and Netherdrakes...im sure im not the only one. Im sitting on 70 heroic badges and almost have my chestplate of stoicism...but i dont wanna do heroic dailies with PuGs.
I say we just try doing some new things or some of the things we KNOW are fun.
Patch 3.0 comes out in like 2 weeks and the game is going to be reinvented for the most part. WotLK is only 6 weeks after that.
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Post by Seraph on Sept 17, 2008 6:53:20 GMT -6
Or perhaps something better finally came along.
I'd even argue with Billy that WoW isn't the king of PvE when compared to WAR. Especially if you played fair and compared WAR to first year WoW. When it comes to "instances".
Anyways opinions are opinions.
I'll do the occasional Kara but in no shape or form am I going to come back to WoW and play that as if it's the only mmo I own when i could be playing WAR. WAR could change, I could get to 40 and go hmm what now?
But as of right now in this moment, I'm having more fun with WAR than with WoW when I started. It has that exploration I wanted and it's an inclusive setting where you're constantly playing with other players especially in PQs or random O RVR.
Its biggest weakness is "population" WAR works awesomely if lots of people are on. Where as WoW you could have a million people on a server and you'd still play it for the most part alone or with your guild.
It's definitely not "just" boredom because I was having a super grand ol' time doing AVs.
Something new and better came along, simple as that for me.
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Post by Elstara on Sept 17, 2008 9:14:22 GMT -6
Yeah I agree with Israel, I will keep my account on WoW for Kara because I made a commitment with you all but I won't be logging on WoW to just play when I have WAR.
WAR > WoW
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Post by Elstara on Sept 17, 2008 9:18:15 GMT -6
i played war. i just prefer blizzard games. maybe i don't have great taste in games like izzy...i like lame ass wow. but...fyi...alvarez knew this was gonna happen...so he just wanted me to say this is why he doesn't want to play. he didn't want to waste money for only the same thing to happen. ...and i agree with josh - kara is fun...so is everything above kara as well. but like the wise and noble billy once said - this isn't a job...do what you want with your money. How the hell can you say that WAR is not as good as WoW! WAR is WoW just polished! Besides, you didn't play WoW til last year right Joe? When did you play WAR? What were you? It could have been the area you were in but WAR definitely has alot more going for it. They have wonderful graphics, different skill movements and the bag space and just everything is done ten times better....I just don't get it Joe....you are a Blizzard person you say but you had never picked up the game WoW til Josh and Billy coerced you in to it...
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Post by Kono on Sept 17, 2008 11:46:19 GMT -6
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Post by suisid3l on Sept 17, 2008 13:49:49 GMT -6
I understand war is a good game but how can you call a game that hasnt even be officially released to the public yet "polished"
vs a game in development for 4 years by arguably the best pc game publishers in the world? You know im a blizzard supporter and im not denying it or supporting that wow might be the better game, b/c from what ive seen war seems to be right up there with it.
But to me that makes zero sense.... the point your trying to make fails and like i said b4. Its all a matter of opinion.
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Post by Elstara on Sept 17, 2008 13:54:41 GMT -6
I understand war is a good game but how can you call a game that hasnt even be officially released to the public yet "polished" vs a game in development for 4 years by arguably the best pc game publishers in the world? To me that makes zero sense....im not arguing the point that war's game might seem better to you, im just arguing that the point your trying to make fails. No it doesn't fail. IF you saw this game and everything in it you would understand. Its everything Israel said so if you want to know how I call it polish read his posts. Heck other players have said that they prefer WAR over WoW. It's all in preference. I am sticking with WoW out of obligation for all of you. WoW is not a bad game just old and stale. WAR is new and has exciting aspects and as they will expand they will only get better. There is always going to be a time when a game comes out that tops the previous game before it. That is evolution for you. You enjoy WoW so play WoW. Thats awesome. I enjoy WAR so I will play WAR. When Kara is set I will be on WoW at said date and time. End of story.
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Post by suisid3l on Sept 17, 2008 14:05:47 GMT -6
There is a difference between preference and calling a game that hasnt been released "polished"
It hasnt even had a mass market or time for ppl to play the game long enough to expose things the creators never thought of. Warhammer is subject to the exact same things every other game ever made is. People are gonna find exploits and use them, they are gonna find imbalances, its the nature of the beast. So to call a game that hasnt even come under that scrutiny polished, thats holds no water in my opinion.
Now your definition of polished might be different than mine, but just b/c Israel said something was great to him doesnt mean itll be great to me or to anyone else. Like i said before I trust Israel's opinion that there will be things that he will be 100 percent correct on, but then there will be his opinion on some that i might not agree on.
Exactly as he said in his post b4.
I said it before, i too am very excited to play warhammer but i waste enough time playing mmo's that to play 2 would be way too much of a time sink.
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Post by Seraph on Sept 17, 2008 14:07:40 GMT -6
Any counter argument regarding each game's specs is a failed defense.
On paper War has WoW beat. Not really an opinion. Opinion would be, I like the lore, I like the races, I like the classes or along those lines. I like the artistic style.
As a tank I have more attacks than most DPS classes in WoW. The combat was explained to be slow but it's actually lightening fast with next to zero cool down.
PvP? Frighteningly better.
PvE - That's a mixed bag of loot, objectives, class combat and I'd still say War beats WoW because combat is much more involved, more much indepth, and it still has the tank, taunt, threat aspects.
Graphics: Not even going to compare, just no contest.
At this point in time, unless you're playing warhammer any form of opinion against War in defense of WoW is just blatant fanboyism. I can easily see why Kendra says it's more polished because we both play it. The servers aren't going down, I did crash 4 times while playing the game since Sunday. Lag is nonexistent, all the quest for the most part work.
It clearly shows what a game can look like after being in beta for as long as War was, it's a polished game.
So if War's starting point is on this level of quality, then I can only imagine where it'll be a year from now if Mythic continues its efforts. From a spec level it just hands down owns.
Classes need some tweaking, unique graphic looks would be a nice addition for random loot, collision checking could use a tad of tweaking, and optimization for players without Core 2 Duo would be nice, also that nasty issue with 8000 series Nvidia cards needs to be fixed, but that could be Nvidia's fault.
War has it's issues but they're so minor. Yes WAR a new game has as much polish as WoW a game that's been out for 4yrs+.
Plus it's not like the game is in beta, it's on head start mode. Most every server during 5:00pm has destruction on Full and in queue with Order in mid or even high or core servers. During the evening it's a full load game with players at every corner playing the game and it just works. The forums all over the place has little to no bitching besides a few classes forums like Sword Master for obvious reasons.
The game works and either it's a testiment to Mythic or long betas or even new MMO creation methods, but it's easily the most polished and fully fledged working release MMO to date.
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Post by Kono on Sept 17, 2008 14:10:20 GMT -6
This is pretty dumb. I'll be honest with it all.
We're done. We're over. Nuff said.
Kendra just said it herself. OBLIGATED. Who the hell wants to play a VIDEO GAME to HAVE FUN when they're feeling obligated to play? That person is NOT having fun.
I'm all for Kara. I'd love to do 10 man stuff. I support it and all. But at the same time, let people do what they want to do. I have 5-6 RPGs on my shelf I haven't beaten yet. Why? Because when I get near the end I find something else, something new, to play instead. We quit other MMOs etc because we find something else. It'll happen with every game out there.
We're losing a tank and a healer. They don't want to play anymore, so you 2 shouldn't. It's not simply a money issue, it's just that you're forcing yourselves to play and "try" to have fun for us which is stupid and ruins the point for us all to play together.
If we really wanna run Kara then we'll find more members or we'll join a bigger guild. Forcing you guys to stay with us seems kind of pointless.
That said, I'm on the fence. I'm working 4 days a week, at nights when I'd get to play with you guys, and then have classes. WoW is kind of pointless to me, even if I joined an all new guild. Guilds raid at nights, when i work or have to study. Guilds usually do stuff on weekends, which I've been working a lot. I really don't have much more reason to play WoW anymore either. WAR on the other hand, I can get on and do a few things and then get off. I can play during the day without anyone else and not worry TOO much about it. But it's only just beginning. When I hit 40 in WAR it may wind up being the same way... Only things I can do require a large chunk of time.
For now, for myself, I'm preferring WAR over WoW as well. But that's simply due to time. If we get a Kara run going, I'll be there. I love healing in WoW. I still want to play it. But to "FORCE" two people who don't want to play it anymore to continue playing for our sakes is stupid.
The Straw Hat crew has their problems at times, but they always pull through. Come on guys. We just have to be SUUUUUUUPEEEEEEER!
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